The original discussion is not about whether things are or are not OK as you keep trying to reframe it, but rather whether we are in a state of “collapse” as Collapse Bro keeps saying. For actual collapse I do expect to see blood in the streets and trains not running on time. Elsewise you have wrung all meaning out of the word.

I have noted we have a slew of problems. I am not arguing we are in Nirvana or the Emerald City. However there are a lot of indications, not subtle at all, that show many things are better. The number of murders in NYC in particular and in the US overall is a lot lower than it was in 1990. How do you account for the value of smart phones, i-pads, drones, driverless cars, Uber rides, online-ordered packages, Waze driving directions provided, medical test results, binge watched TV series, and more? You are counting the falling production of buggy whips and bemoaning the future while it is running you over. You are looking out the back window at the wrong stats. But even if you don’t agree about that, you might want to concede the original point: we are not in collapse.

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